Ok guys in order to really know how many and good pvp characters we have, we really need to post them. I'l start first and i hope others will follow.

Tank Junior

S6, P6, E8, C1, I6, A8, L6.

Traits: fast shot, small frame.

Perks: stonewall, toughness 2x, lifegiver 2x, action boy, bonus rate of fire.

Health: 225

Taged skills: big gun 210, first aid 138, doctor 89.

Main weapon: Light support weapon.

Conclusion:
I made this in all around big gun pvp char. Why i have st6? Beacuse with skill of 210 i can also use Bazooka and Minigun without serious penalty and going for big gun skill more than 210 is a waste in my opinion (and yes i can hit 95% most of the time). First aid and doctor are the best option for every pvp char but if you don't have luck 10 you will have hard time getting your skill to work so have it tagged and level it but not too much, going above 150 is a waste. And yes i have managed to heal eye damage with doctor 89. Not sure how many people have stonewall but it's really underrated perk. When you get eye shot you usually fall down and then you die. But with this perk even if you get eye shot you will be on your feet and you can run away and doctor yourself or fa and go back to battle. And this is it i hope you can use some of advices here for your future characters :)

it s very difficult to lev up this kind of character but after lvl15 you can pex normaly

I made a char like this myself
NukeItAll
3 Str. +3 weapon = 6 EG sniper. works fine.
Also 3 str is needed for Plasma pistol so PVM is also very nice and easy to lvl up...

Yes, but penalities remains until you have sufficient level to get the perk, if you plane to use the same build after wipe, you character will not be so good in first days.

How does this penalitie work? i never tested it.. so i have no clue...

Penalties= -20% of your weapon skill for each strong point you don't have.

Ah thanks... and that aint that bad :)

Also 3 str is needed for Plasma pistol so PVM is also very nice and easy to lvl up...

Actually, 4 ST is needed for plasma pistol, 3 ST for laser pistol

Ah ye thats correct... I used laser pistol in the start... ST 3 (Weapon handling) Laser rifle PE 7 (1x sigarette = 8 PE = +- 40 range same as weapon) EN 10 CH 1 IN 7 AG 7 LK 6 (this is my old char.)

PE 7 (1x sigarette = 8 PE = +- 40 range same as weapon)

8 PE = 44 range vision, laser rifle has 45 max range, also 1 PE equals 16% to hit which is quite a lot

Ah ye thats correct... I used laser pistol in the start...

ST 3 (Weapon handling) Laser rifle
PE 7 (1x sigarette = 8 PE = +- 40 range same as weapon)
EN 10
CH 1
IN 7
AG 7
LK 6

(this is my old char.)

Never 7 in agility, 6 or 8 but no 7 : you don't gain AP. Maybe -1AG and +1PE would be better (10PE with 2*cigarettes). Or -1IN to add 1 in agility and have 8.

Never 7 in agility, 6 or 8 but no 7 : you don't gain AP. Maybe -1AG and +1PE would be better (10PE with 2*cigarettes). Or -1IN to add 1 in agility and have 8.

7 agi = BRF
i have the same build. but.. didnt knew BRF was broken

my Build:
NukaCola
S:3
P:8
E:8
C:1
I:6
A:7
L:7
Traits:
Finesse
Fast Metabolism (+2 HR woohoo)
Perks:
BRD
Thoughness
Silent Running
Better Crit
Weapon handling

Skills:
EW
FA
Sneak (but sneak sux now

so after wipe, I will get a beter character :P

I wouldnt go for BROF for a sniper, still you cant have 2 shots w/o jets. BRD on a sniper si a pure waste imo . And Lifegiver is a must . You missed 2 perks, I guess its that lifegiver and 1 or 2 more criticals ?

I wouldnt go for BROF for a sniper, still you cant have 2 shots w/o jets. BRD on a sniper si a pure waste imo . And Lifegiver is a must . You missed 2 perks, I guess its that lifegiver and 1 or 2 more criticals ?

I never play Turn based, so with 8 AP 5 AP eye shot, wil make almost 2 shots and if i use some drugs, then it'll be easier:P


yeah me knows next build wont include BRD but Living anatomy
and sneak will be docter, so silent running is out of the picture to, and that will be livegiver i guess.

bur for now, my beta char works great :P

5 APs shot ? Lets count: For laser rifle ,its 5/6/7 APs for firing single/aimed/aimed-head,eyes,groin. Now with BROF, its 4/5/6 for firing, 6 for hitting critical parts of body. Then u need 12 APs for 2 shots, which can be attained only with sacrificing some perks and special = 8 agi + 2x action boy + 2x nuka cola. And having just 10 or 11 APs makes some difference

5 APs shot ?

yeah, its now 6 aimed, so 7 for eyes (i said 6 in last post :$)
so headshot =6 -1(BRF) = 5ap

but for my new build im considering more ag (+1) for 1AP but, also i think its a waste of SPECIAL points.. so im realy thinking if BRF is worth it for sniper build.. because 7 agi = sucki sucki but 6 = no BRF

BG builds are easier :(

Finesse suck balls really hard, trust me, it reduce the amount of normal damage by 50 or 60 percent. Since the critical rate has been reduced also, the 10% bonus is not that worthy. WIth 200 in Energy weapon, 21% of critical rate and a plasma rifle i always get less than 10 in dmg, even if i am shooting in the eyes. This is an example of a PvP Battle : HawK shoot xxx in the eyes and hit for 7 dmg Hawk shoot xxx in the eyes and hit for 8 dmg Hawk was hit for 85 dmg (brust from minigun) Hawk shoot xxx in the eyes and critically hit for 90 dmg HawK was hit for 65 dmg HawK shoot xxx in the eyes for 6 dmg Hawk shoot xxx in the eyes for 9 dmg HawK was critically hit for 125 dmg and dies ridiculously violently And this is even worse against mobs which have a lot of Reducing Damage Threshold like Floaters, Centaurs or DeathClaws, you will hit like 3 or 4 dmg everytime. Also, Fast metabolism give you 0% of Poison and radiation resistance, when you are hit from a Centaur, you get normal damage plus poison dmg depending of how much poison you have already in your organism. Sometimes you get 50-80 dmg in one hit from floaters, just because of poisoning. Better to get no traits at all, don't forget about the disavantages they always add too.. ps : big guns are way much easier, faster, and gives so much damage than any other build. If you take another weapon specialisation you have to concentrate on other skills like being leader, scout, trader, stealer, lockpick, crafting armors, weapons or ammo, anything you want but you will be in a deep shit when facing any big gun character. Combat is really really hard for any non-BG character. That's a shame but that's how it is right now. Hopefully, i've heard that next update will change that a little bit.

Never 7 in agility, 6 or 8 but no 7 : you don't gain AP. Maybe -1AG and +1PE would be better (10PE with 2*cigarettes). Or -1IN to add 1 in agility and have 8.

Same as nukacola...
i knew 6 or 8 AG is better
but it is 7 agi for BRF so -1 AP
That was my goal... but it didnt work...
i was hooping it would be fixed fast
that was not the case...

Finesse suck balls really hard, trust me, it reduce the amount of normal damage by 50 or 60 percent. Since the critical rate has been reduced also, the 10% bonus is not that worthy.

I igree the dmg sux. But for a crit sniper?
i mean you'll be able to get 35% crit with finesse...

So do you think even a sniper should not pick this perk?

And i Agree on the biggun part.... that why i made a Biggunner..../Ldr since i had to get people into action so this char is not the best in battle.... but in groups it doesnt really matter...

Finesse suck balls really hard, trust me, it reduce the amount of normal damage by 50 or 60 percent. Since the critical rate has been reduced also, the 10% bonus is not that worthy.

WIth 200 in Energy weapon, 21% of critical rate and a plasma rifle i always get less than 10 in dmg, even if i am shooting in the eyes.


This is an example of a PvP Battle :

HawK shoot xxx in the eyes and hit for 7 dmg
Hawk shoot xxx in the eyes and hit for 8 dmg
Hawk was hit for 85 dmg (brust from minigun)
Hawk shoot xxx in the eyes and critically hit for 90 dmg
HawK was hit for 65 dmg
HawK shoot xxx in the eyes for 6 dmg
Hawk shoot xxx in the eyes for 9 dmg
HawK was critically hit for 125 dmg and dies ridiculously violently .

True but im always feeling lucky doing 65dmg ++ crits :cool2:

Better to get no traits at all, don't forget about the disavantages they always add too...

me knows about the disavantages.. but not that you dont have to choose well if after the update you have to choose, i want gifted! haha or i just pick sex apeal and bloodymess

If you take another weapon specialisation you have to concentrate on other skills like being leader, scout, trader, stealer, lockpick, crafting armors, weapons or ammo

my main char is 100% pvp, then i got another char or 2 for crafting. because i think it sux, if you need like 180% in repair to get armorer 3.. i can spend those skill points on something better.

ohw, and is a throwing char realy worth it? because plasma nades = 25 MF... and deals 40-120 dmg.. and 15 range.. i think if i got a lazer rifle, having 25 shots @ 45 range is waaaaay better even with the 10dmg shots and 10% chance for 65 dmg crits ;)

yeah me knows next build wont include BRD but Living anatomy
and sneak will be docter, so silent running is out of the picture to, and that will be livegiver i guess.

bur for now, my beta char works great

I was also thinking of this perk on my new Sniper.
Anyone tested it?

Does it really @ +5 dmg each shot?

Living anatomy add +5 dmg after all calculation (armor, etc) but i am not sure if it's after or before the crit calculation. Anyway it's still not much +dmg... (and it's per shot not per bullet, so with a burst it's really useless, BRD much better ;p)

Okey now im confused:P why would BRD be better? BRD = +2 dmg? Living anat = +5 dmg Or am i missing something 0.o

Because BRD add +2 dmg on all bullets of your burst, like if your weapon have 10-13 and not 8-11, so with max 1/3 of your bullets that touch your primary target, with an avenger, it's +/- +28dmg (+56 with 2 BRD) if the ennemy have no DR But the living anatomy perk add +5dmg for the entire burst, so it just add +5dmg to your burst after DR and DT calculation. So BRD far better for a minigun, living anatomy is a trap !:D

so.. for sniper/single shot/grenade = living anatomy burster = BRD kinda weird.. but also nais cuz, +5 on every minigun round :nono: but.. if im 100% rocket launcher user, living anatomy is the better choise? because of single ? hmm i'm remaking my character sheet pretty often now haha

If you use rocket launcher, don't waste a perk with living anatomy, take all criticals perks!

Wow, what a discussion. Its now 7 AP not only on eyes, but also on head and groin as I said earlier. BRD for burster, LA for grenadier, melee chars and some pistol builds. I wouldnt recommend taking finesse, only if you want to be a crippler, because with 10 LK + 3x MC + 10 for Finesse = 95% critical chance on eyes. I dont think that being a big gunner is easy, Im using both builds and every build has its own advantages and disadvantages. Perhaps EW sniper is weaker compared to all builds, but still good on BG on psycho

New PvP character (not 21 yet) : Crazy Gunner
S4
P6
E10
C1
I6
A8
L6

HP: 253

2*Toughness; 2*Livegiver; 2*Bonus Ranged Damage; Weapon Handling
Small Frame, Fast Shot

Tagged Skills:
Big Gun: 202%
First Aid: 150%
Doctor: 101%

Main weapon: Avenger Minigun

My build is almost the same, i only look 8 EN to boost my PE & str...

How do you do it with you carry weight?
I mean... i made this calc


carry weight = (38,000)
Armor = 15875
minigun = 12700
5mm AP= (9x360=) 3240
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31815

I didnt cound the Super stims...
And then you still cant loot anything or have a 2nd weapon?
this is the bazooka calc

Armor = 15875
Or Rocket= 6803
rockets= (10x1360=) 13600
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35278

I dont see how you can do it... can you explain me
Since im try to improve my build for the after the wipe

Me too, my build is almost the same, differences are 10AGI 8END Toughness Critical Better Lifegiver weapon handling bonus ranged domage x2 195Hp 2 shoots/turn 11% criticals